Exploring Self
  The shift is not a thing. It is the action of increasing your self-awareness.

KevinGrey posts:

It depends, actually. In something like the Elias session, I may be. Like, a moderate-sized group where a lot of interactions are going on.

Yet, if we're talking about a concert, or an outdoor event where there are throngs of people all gathered, I kind of like that, depending on my mood.

Peace.

Stevelord posts:

Teleport wrote:

Stevelord wrote: Teleport posts Teleport Its pretty likely you are a common. Not only the willingness to generalize amd the questions but the need for methods. You will notice that softs dont use methods. They argue against them. I guess they just ooze into what they want by osmosis. Although you will find a few commons who similarly reject methods, Ill bet its slmost impossible to find a soft who is sold on them. Welcome to the club. You may be the only other SUmafi, V… (quote shortened by clean-bot) Just when I was starting to feel happy about being soft! Oh and I read how softs don't like to control things. I always try to control things. But my need to retreat is really like soft. And I have definitely created things without knowing 'how'. So in the end again I have no idea. Now I am not even sure I am Vold anymore. I have moved like about 5 times in my life. But I have this constant desire to change what I am doing so I still might be because I don't know what else I could be. I am only really sure about being a Sumafi I guess. Maybe I am just having a bad day

Yes , Tele, change is the essence of the vold , its just usually expressed by moving a lot, but Susan Vold does not move much either, but instead changes her house around all the time she says, but many volds move countless times and when not moving are thinking about moving. Is five more or less than the Indian average for a 24 year? And except for your social phobia you reek of common.

Steve

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Stevelord posts:

Teleport wrote:

hmm there were some kids that moved a lot because their parent had a transferable job so they used to move between different cities. But I guess it's probably not that common… I don't hate lots of people together. I like going to see a movie for example and sometimes going to the mall too So what's the difference between a Vold and a Sumari?

Im not counting when their parents move, just the sons, when did you leave home?

Kevin and you sound alike then, if you go somewhere which is not a group that is connected, like at an ELias session or a party where you are expected to interact, both of you are fine. BUt some softs have told me they are uncomfortable at malls too, the energy is overwhelming to them.

Steve

bunseam posts:

Funny, I'm Soft and as a kid I practically invented the term "mall rat".

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Stevelord posts:

Teleport wrote:

hmm there were some kids that moved a lot because their parent had a transferable job so they used to move between different cities. But I guess it's probably not that common… I don't hate lots of people together. I like going to see a movie for example and sometimes going to the mall too So what's the difference between a Vold and a Sumari?

Maybe one could say that Sumari's like to stir the pot but Volds actually do differ and so end up stirring the pot whether that e their intent or not. Many volds tend to be wierder in human terms. Sumarism also makes people more softlike and helps them dance the woo woo.

STeve

KevinGrey posts:

In my view, Sumari likes to stir the pot, shake things up inside, but more in terms of changing the rules, within the game. Alterations here and there, to shake things up within a framework, or, dancing outside the lines of a framework.

Volds just want to blow the fucking framework up, burn it down, have done with it.

Sumari's like breaking the rules in a system, as I see it, whereas Volds want to overhaul the system, completely alter it.

Peace.

wanderful posts:

Sumari, creative
- new perspectives, new ideas, always new

Vold, passion
- change status quo, change self, always change

Stevelord posts:

KevinGrey wrote:

In my view, Sumari likes to stir the pot, shake things up inside, but more in terms of changing the rules, within the game. Alterations here and there, to shake things up within a framework, or, dancing outside the lines of a framework. Volds just want to blow the fucking framework up, burn it down, have done with it. Sumari's like breaking the rules in a system, as I see it, whereas Volds want to overhaul the system, completely alter it. Peace.

Good answer Kevin. Explains it nicely for me. I didnt knkow Sumaris were so meek.

Steve

KevinGrey posts:

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Good answer Kevin. Explains it nicely for me. I didnt knkow Sumaris were so meek.

Meek? I don't recall expressing that.

To me, people who are willing to step up and flout rules, generally aren't the meek ones.

How do you define meek?

Peace.

Stevelord posts:

KevinGrey wrote:

Quote: Good answer Kevin. Explains it nicely for me. I didnt knkow Sumaris were so meek. Meek? I don't recall expressing that. To me, people who are willing to step up and flout rules, generally aren't the meek ones. How do you define meek? Peace.

Well I was jokingly referring to anyone who wasnt as destructively nuts about disassembling the established norms as the Volds as meek.

Steve

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Stevelord posts:

Teleport wrote:

Ok I shall continue to think I am Vold, but definitely some sub-family. Also, when I was very new to Elias material I had a dream that I was Sumafi/Vold. So maybe it was correct after all I guess Volds are more intense and Sumaris are more happy-go-lucky?

You tell us , are you more intense of more happy go lucky. BTW you being Vold I can ask this to you and it wont offend you, Is Islam coming unglued yet in India?

Steve

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